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This is another Alison interview/conversation. Quite well done and thorough. There’s a part of the overall dialogue that I think everyone should hear; you may know this already but it needs to hit home, rattle your bones, and slap us in the face. To hear this reminder that we need to acknowledge and Know, go to the 1hr 10 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KVb47P6c1A