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Katie B posted an update 5 years, 7 months ago
They are literally talking about a soft form of MK-Ultra on kids to get them to do boring (or even distasteful tasks) – this article is all about dissociation and working. Meet the new normal. Modern slavery but it’s okay as we’ll all be living in our minds and virtual reality so we won’t notice the horror of it.
“The Batman effect
Pretend play might also help kids regulate their emotions and persevere through difficult, tedious or frustrating tasks” and “hoped to get the kids to step outside themselves”.
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It is as CAF says, they are after our kids and with many dumbed down programmed adults running around in today’s cov*d world make the most of it to futher the depraved agenda.
Nothing better to energize the brain than a good run in the fresh air!
Exactly. With my little sisters, they liked the simple things. Playing in the mud/sand/sea, having a book read to them, picking wild berries/fishing and good old fashioned monopoly. Note the interesting choice of ‘mutant’ superhero of Batman. Covid, the gift that keeps on giving for the WEF. Who take payments in CHF let’s not forget. Basel coincidence? I think not.
It may also about teaching kids patience and observing how kids develop cognitive skills and useful strategies like delaying satisfaction to achieve a goal. Kids who learn to enjoy reading and writing earlier would learn more through their lifetime, on average, I would wager, for example. I appreciate the argument that the medical advances learned by german medics during ww2 experiments carried moral hazards with them, but maybe its not mk-ultra even though its a nyt article? Maybe its observational cognitive science done with good intentions. Just a thought.
The studies are advertised on the WEF website. What do you make of the dissociation technique? Why does one need to split their consciousness in order to ‘learn’? Have you read Macrocosm and Medium?
I don’t know about who advertises where, but agree that may be significant. I get advertisements for stuff I didn’t know I “liked” all the time, though. I do know that kids like to play, and playing pretend is pretty ubiquitous – witness dolls, for example. I haven’t read Microcosm and Medium, so can’t argue from authority there. Is there some reason to assume all observational
and cognitive science is inherently MK-Ultra aligned?
From my experience, kids who associate good outcomes with following sensible parental advice (all of whom use psychological “tricks” and play routines to achieve desirable outcomes) are better socialised and adapt to desirable outcomes more readily.
Have you read the article in full and paid attention to the emphasis I put in quotes – the parts that alarmed me? If so, you would know I’m taking issue with cognitive science approaches, I indeed work for a cognitive neuroscientist and educational psychologist and indeed, have a masters in psychology. So not sure why you are using cognitive science as a way of diverting attention from the issue at hand – namely dissociation and mk ultra type techniques recounted in the article NOT cognitive science.
I suggest you read that book if you do not understand how harmful splitting consciousness is on the human mind.
Well, I guess I’m not a psychology master, I admit to being a mere human. Forgive me for not knowing the specific term for what looks to a layman like cognitive observational science. I really amn’t trying to divert attention from your highlighted issues, at least not intentionally. I read the article, and it looks a bit Skinner-esque, but all psychology looks that way these days, to a layman.
All I know is I played Batman and Cops’n’Robbers and even at war when I was a kid, and I don’t feel like I turned into the Manchurian Candidate as a result.
Merely highlighting my credentials and experience just like you were above and surely this is just healthy debate nothing to feel victimised about. Yes, you played and imagined not worked at the same time. This article is talking about getting kids to dissociate so they can fulfil frustrating etc tasks. Why? Why do children (not adults) need to dissociate in order to do something. I’m using the article to dot connect and I could be completely wrong but I think it’s for nefarious reasons. However, I’m definitely not taking anything anymore at face value.
P.s still waiting to know why you think a child needs to dissociate in order to learn to fulfil frustrating tasks
P.s would also like to know why you think the world economic forum is interested in how kids learn – is it so they can think outside the box and problem solve?
sorry, couldnt figure out how to reply to the thread until I clicked all the buttons. The REPLY button disappeared.
I agree that there is little good about being associated with WEF, you wont find me defending that crowd, so fair point there.
Re dissociate, I perhaps read that differently than you did – I’m not educated in these things. I took dissociation to mean “imagination, role-play or pretend”, and that was a common experience both for me, my siblings and my kids. Maybe there is some subtlety I missed there, I cannot tell.
From what I read, it looked like the psychologists were encouraging the kids to pretend to be someone who they might imagine had the fortitude or grit to get the job done. I can imagine that could be used to good or less good purposes, but I understood the article to mean that kids who don’t have the grit themselves could “imagine” their way through a difficult task by using that technique. Perhaps it’s my understanding at fault here, but as far as I know, formal education places too much emphasis on “emotional intelligence” and not enough on “do the task to succeed”, and this report seemed, to me, to be encouraging technique to achieve that.
Perhaps this is the point we are arguing about? (and don’t worry about me getting upset, I’m not really known as a wallflower, as I am sure you are not)
I agree with your points above. However, I’m not using this article alone, I’m critically analysing it in a wider backdrop. The WEF have been talking alot about the ‘future of learning’ – as have corporations. That future of learning consists of human beings as little more than machine polishers i.e. doing very basic tasks or even worse service related tasks ala Epstein et al. That is what I’m trying to get it, those scientists may completely well think they are looking at learning in a good way but the people behind and funding it are involved in re-engineering the Western world – all of it, even the way we eat. Also, why Batman, because covid is the magic virus that has helped them shape this current climate and it’s a mock. I also believe getting people to dissociate from what they are doing stops critical insight and people become robotic and unquestioning doers.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/12/new-research-finds-that-kids-aged-4-6-perform-better-during-boring-tasks-when-dressed-as-batman/
Ok, sure, I can accept the wider context argument. I absolutely take the point about the social engineering taking place as part of our New Normal™. I get the interest, from the Rockerfeller perspective, in changing up the learning paradigm, but did not associate the article necessarily with creating a new population of chimney sweeps. The article appears to describe a means of showing how children can be taught to focus on a task by using a technique designed to allow them to succeed, which, frankly, kids are going to need to survive the many technological distractions in their way anymore.
I think we are looking at two sides of the same coin. So, I’ll allow it 🙂
And, regarding batman, I can see why the kids preferred that character over the others (to display my nerd chops for a minute): batman is a man (not a mutant, importantly) who is big and strong and fights evil with technology-as-tool (which may be a subconscious preference, who knows), and the others are not archetypal.
Bob the Builder is a tosser to older kids: he’s for the little kids, and kids always want to be more grown up.
Rapunzel is a damsel who needs saving, and who wants to be that?
Dora is a Bob the Builder for girls (let’s face facts here).
Given those choices, I would have taken batman 10 out of 10 times too.
On your above take, I completely disagree with all of your points. However, I have already stated why in my responses and also my concerns about dissociating young minds to perform tasks for adults. Why would the WEF use Batman in copious articles they have put out and in even in that so called independent study (which I haven’t yet researched to find out who the scientists are but I will and I will be back with that) when they are constantly talking about racial inequality, diversity and feminism – why pick a superhero who is white, aristocratic and male? Why not wonder women for instance (I particularly enjoy the WEF’s article re “Nigeria’s first lesbian feature film”?). I too would have picked batman everytime but would the WEF? There is alot of bat symbolism in relation to covid – one for the obvious reason and the others from all of the esoteric symbolism that has been used throughout this entire operation. And if you are in any doubt about who is behind this plandemic (if indeed you agree it’s a plandemic – you probs don’t) after reading the WEF’s website I don’t believe it’s a coincidence. Note the pictures of kids in masks. Interestingly, the WEF is also very much against schools re-opening. I wonder why that is if they care so much about funding educational articles to help with kids learning? By the way, the lady who wrote the article about magic and learning in question is a journalist who also writes alot about AI, coronavirus, biotech and transhumanism. But I’m sure there’s no coincidence.
You’re free to disagree 🙂 Look, I don’t want to flog a dead horse here, all I really wanted to say is that the article looked fairly innocuous to me, but then I haven’t read into psychology to any professional extent. I posted some instances of the sort of thing that creeps me out, re the social distancing experiments done to kids, but they didn’t take (here’s one of them to show form: https://vnexplorer.net/how-nursery-children-in-thailand-keep-strictest-social-distancing-during-covid-19-a202079242.html).
I think I get your take on batman re corona (the wuhan bat thing). I didn’t get that earlier, so fair dues, I had discounted that pretty much as soon as I heard it. Call me thick if that helps, but I don’t think you should ascribe any motive to my lack of agreement that a single article is a smoking gun. I’m not here to justify anyone’s beliefs, I’m only trying to understand your position, and explain my own if asked.
I’ll look forward to future engagements 🙂