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    Sunny & Max posted an update 5 years, 2 months ago

    “ An SwRI scientist used a new model to estimate Mars’ bombardment history – indicating a hypothetical evolution for an early Mars heavily battered by ‘cosmic impacts’. “

    ( https://phys.org/news/2021-02-scientist-timeline-mars-terrains.html )

    Good afternoon everyone at Giza,

    Do you think that because of this lone SwRI scientist proposing an early Mars heavily battered by “cosmic impacts”, that the rest of the scientific celestial bunch will catch on to the secret of the Giza Death Star ?

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      Billy Bob replied 5 years, 2 months ago

      I always find curious articles with phrase, “What scientists previously thought”. Rarely is found the phrase, “What scientists previously knew”.

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          Scarmoge replied 5 years, 2 months ago

          Fallibilism it would seem is a necessary component of thinking in the manner of a scientific intelligence. C. S. Peirce had quite a bit to say about its role in scientific thinking (Peirce had in mind something VERY different from the scientistic thinking that masquerades as science). Perice meant by fallibilism that “people cannot attain absolute certainty concerning questions of fact.” and argues that we must act in what he calls “practical certainty”. See his “The Scientific Attitude and Fallibilism,” in Justus Buchler, ed., Philosophical Writings of Peirce. New York: Dover, 1955. This is a fairly nice collection of Peirce’s writings and I believe is still in print at a reasonable price.
          Falbilism was known to the ancient greeks (therefore probably also to earlier folks). Fallibilism can be found in the thought of Carneades as we know it through the mentions of his student Clitomachus. Carneades is usually painted as a traditional skeptic (not true). If one is interested in the history of skepticism see Richard Popkin’s The History of Scepticism from Erasmus to Spinoza. There is also a new revised edition as well with much additional material. Either edition is well worth a read. And in connection to skepticism a reference for BlakeCosmos and others who might share his interest in the subject of time. In The Cambridge History of Hellenistic Philosophy (1999), see Chapter 2 “Chronology” by Tiziano Dorandi. We might also recall the third maxim inscribed on the Temple of Apollo at Delphi,”surety brings ruin”.

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              Billy Bob replied 5 years, 2 months ago

              ”surety brings ruin”….helps explain the saying, “run the opposite way from one professing the ‘truth'”…so much to know and so little time left.
              Thanks for the references. I would think with should a battery of knowledge a mind would rest easy?

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                Sunny & Max replied 5 years, 2 months ago

                Hi Scarmoge and good afternoon,

                Fallibilism in Greek (modern Greek translation) would be:
                «το αναπόφευκτο του ανθρώπινου σφάλματος»
                “the inevitability of human error”
                . . . or better still . . .
                «το αναπόφευκτο της ανθρώπινης πλάνης»
                “the inevitability of human (self) deception”

                Thank you for all your information, I will look for all the writings you mentioned, and try to get my hands of the authors although due to the current ‘restricted’ conditions, physical books are not only rarities, but soon to be akin to the heretical kindling in Ray Bradbury’s timeless masterpiece.

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                  FiatLux replied 5 years, 2 months ago

                  Such thinking (though it is but the quintessence of common sense) would require an acknowledgment of one’s own imperfection. The odds on that?

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                      Sunny & Max replied 5 years, 2 months ago

                      Hello FiatLux and good evening to you,
                      i am admittedly the most multilaterally imperfect flawed human being i have come across in all the years of my travels. As such, i acknowledge not only my shortcomings but the overextension of my enthusiasm – to never give up despite failure after failure in this quest of my life long adventure . . .
                      Think ‘Wile E. Coyote’
                      ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X_oR2EnMwk )

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                    Sunny & Max replied 5 years, 2 months ago

                    Hey Billy Bob,
                    Scientists “knowing” after the fact would be an act of admission, whereas “thinking” . . . Well, scientists simply think of many things, so by “thinking” they can get away with many blundered thoughts.

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                    Sunny & Max replied 5 years, 2 months ago

                    Hello Donkey,
                    I was snickering at that one as well, although i feel that “dumfounded” would be more fitting for the dear scientist animal creatures.

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                      Bluenose replied 5 years, 2 months ago

                      Clueless people espousing made up clues. There seems to be too much knowledge from the college of late.

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                        Foglamp replied 5 years, 2 months ago

                        “Scientists are not to be trusted” is even better 🙂