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  • Margaret W. posted an update 7 years, 9 months ago

    Forum Borealis public release: Film: The Nature of Consciousness (Pt. 1 of 2: Why A.I. must fail) – A conversation with Cliff High . . . about its nature, function, manifestations, and implications. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tppPWE6DUEs [1:26:51]

    • Discusses why computers, however much data they process and however dangerous they might become if they have been programmed by a pathological control freak, can never actually be self-aware since no machine has a self or can access non-local consciousness. Though most human beings are not self-aware either, at least not fully or all the time since, we easily fall or remain in what Gurdieff called the mechanical mode….

      • I attended a lecture by Roger Penrose back in the late 1990’s on this topic, and he claimed that no rule-based computer could ever develop consciousness … but there were no quantum computers at the time … when I asked him privately about the “soul” he was dismissive … he claimed that quantum effects at the subatomic level can be triggered by a single photon hitting the retina and by microtubules in the brain in which quantum phenomena can be exhibited, and that is what might give rise to consciousness in “natural organisms”

        • Plants and minerals too may have a “reactive consciousness” (which might be in touch with the non-local nature of reality – we have just lost touch…), but do they, or machines, have a “self” and therefore self-awareness?