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Margaret W. posted an update 7 years, 6 months ago
Cliff Dunning (Earth Ancients) interviews Dr Finkel, curator at the British Museum in charge of cuneiform inscriptions on Mesopotamian clay tablets . . . Sumerian Cuneiform Tablet Has Been Decoded and it Tells the Story of the Ark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIUghIrJJss [1:05:59]
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His interviews are always enjoyable and his conclusions documented.
I’ll HAVE to watch this.. because…… Mesopotamia…but..(and Ill admit.. im commenting before watching…) don’t we already know this with Ziusudra….hang on.. yeh this guy’s face looked familiar.. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/10574173/Irving-Finkel-reader-of-the-lost-Ark.html
Unfortunately, it’s audio only in this video . . . over a picture of an unidentified tablet. Your linked article has a picture of a coracle, as he mentions in the interview.
Bonus: Here he is giving a very entertaining talk and slide presentation about the reconstruction of a coracle ‘ark’… ~58 min. Irving Finkel | The Ark Before Noah: A Great Adventure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_fkpZSnz2I
I think you’re right about Zisudra. The real issue for me centres on which great flood a particlar ancient text or tradition describes, for there are many from around the world. My research had led me to the view that many traditions, for example in South America, may go back to the cataclysms at the end of the last Ice Age (11,000 BCE & 9,500 BCE). There is also evdence from many ancient cultures world-wide that some significant change occurred around 3,000 or 3,100 BCE that probably included extensive flooding.
We may have to start a thread about this in the forum so as to keep the topic current and we dont lose it down the memory hole.. (aka Kahlypso posting headlines like a madman and making the older conversations disappear into the next page :))
so… hang on.. getting notes…
Samyaza is a fallen angel of apocryphal Jewish and Christian tradition that ranked in the heavenly hierarchy as one of the Watchers. The name “Shemyaza(z)” means “the (or my) name has seen” or “he sees the name”.
so… enter the Bible…
“When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God, When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness”… fast forward… When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a became the father of Noah…. so Ive done some maths… and counted life spans… and This means that all of Noah’s ancestors were still alive when he was born, except Adam, (Seth would die 10 years later) and Enoch who had disappeared with God..
After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham and Japheth, from which were derived Semites, Hamites and Japhetites,
Shem is the oldest son according to the Book of Genesis chapter 10 verse 21. Genesis chapter 10 verse 21 Shem was the ancestor of all the Hebrew. Shem was the ancestor of Abraham and thus the Israelites. In the view of some 17th-century European scholars (e.g., John Webb), the people of American, eastern Persia and “the Indias” descended from Shem
Ham is Noah’s middle son. The forefather of Cush, Egypt, and Put, and of Canaan, whose lands include portions of Africa, Arabia, Syria-Palestine and Mesopotamia
Japheth is the youngest son. His name is associated with the mythological Greek Titan Iapetos, and his sons include Javan, the Greek-speaking cities of Ionia.
Samyaza and his associates further taught their human charges arts and technologies such as weaponry, cosmetics, mirrors, sorcery, and other techniques that would otherwise be discovered gradually over time by humans
THE BOOK OF GIANTS :
http://www.gnosis.org/library/dss/dss_book_of_giants.htm
The Book of Giants has long been known as a work which circulated among the Manichaeans as a composition attributed to Mani. There has been much speculation regarding the original language of the Book of Giants. It was generally believed to have had a Semitic origin. Indeed, the discovery of this text in Qumran has led scholars to believe that the book was initially composed in Aramaic.
The Book of Giants retells part of this story and elaborates on the exploits of the giants, especially the two children of Shemihaza, Ohya and Hahya
The text relates how some giants, named Ohya, Hahya and Mahway, sons of the fallen angels, have some dreams that foresee the biblical Flood. A brief mention of one of these giants, “Ohya”, is found in the Babylonian Talmud (Nidah, Ch 9), where it is said (“Sihon and Og [from the Book of Numbers] were brothers, as they were the sons of Ohia the son of Samhazai [one of the leaders of the fallen angels in the Book of Enoch….
Enter the Aztecs….Now.. If we were to look at the story of the Aztecs as ‘the other side’s story’..
ie : the Giants versions of things..
At the beginning of the world there was only darkness, void. Creation began when the dual Ometecuhtli (Lord of Duality) / Omecihuatl (Lady of Duality) created itself.
Ometeotl (“Two Gods”) is a name sometimes used to refer to the pair of Aztec deities Ometecuhtli and Omecihuatl, also known as Tonacatecuhtli and Tonacacihuatl. Ome translates as “two” or “dual” in Nahuatl and teotl translates as “god”. The existence of such a concept and its significance is a matter of dispute among scholars of Mesoamerican religion….
Multiple Nahuatl sources, notably the Florentine Codex, name the highest level of heaven Omeyocan or “place of duality” or “the place of duality, above the nine-tiered heavens) In the Histoyre du Mechique*, Franciscan priest André Thevet translated a Nahuatl source reporting that in this layer of heaven there existed “a god named Ometecuhtli, which means two-gods, and one of them was a goddess..Richard Haly (1992), argue that there was no Ometeotl, Omitecuhtli or Omecihuatl among the Aztecs. Instead, he claims, the names should be interpreted using the Nahuatl root omi (“bone”), rather than ome (“two”). Haly further contends that Omitecuhtli was another name for Tonacatecuhtli and Mictlantecuhtli, both gods related to the creation of humans from dead bones – …
Side note – context : These Gods were called things like Lord of Bones, or Lady of the consumable Human Flesh…These Gods ate us as much as the Pre Canaanites… (koff Annunaki)
Exemple : Tonacacihuatl – Tonacacihuatl was a creator and goddess of fertility, worshiped for peopling the earth and making it fruitful She is also referred to as Ilhuicacihuatl or “Heavenly Lady.”
The god’s name is a compound of two Nahuatl words: tonaca and cihuatl. While cihuatl can be translated “woman” or “lady”, tonaca presents several possible interpretations. Some read this root as tonaca (without the long ‘o’), consisting of nacatl, meaning “human flesh” or “food,” with the possessive prefix to (“our”). By this etymology, Tonacacihuatl would mean “Lady of Our Food” or “Lady of Our Flesh,” most commonly rendered “Lady of Our Sustenance. (Or Lady of the Human Flesh Food..)
First Sun: The element of this first age is earth. The first god to sacrifice himself was Tezcatlipoca, who leaped into the fire and started the First Sun, called “4 Tiger”. This period was inhabited by giants who ate only acorns, and it came to an end when the giants were devoured by jaguars. The world lasted 676 years, or 13 52-year cycles according to the pan-Mesoamerican calendar.
During this age, a fight transpired between Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca. Quetzalcoatl was the victor, but Tezcatlipoca takes revenge by sending jaguars on Earth to destroy the giants. Thus came an end to the first sun.
Second sun: The element of this second age is air. Quetzalcoatl is in control in this era. Humans were created according to our current likeness but became corrupt. As a result, Tezcatlipoca transformed them into monkeys, and Quetzalcoatl sent hurricanes to wipe the monkeys out. There were survivors who, according to the legend, are current day monkeys.
Third Sun: The element of this age is fire and the god responsible for this era is Tlaloc, the god of rain and water. A fight ensued between Tezcatlipoca and Tlaloc when Tezcatlipoca stole Tlaloc’s wife. Out of revenge, Tlaloc transformed all of humanity into turkeys, dogs and butterflies. Quetzalcoatl rained fire and ash down on the atrocities, causing the destruction of humanity for the third time.
Fourth Sun: The element related to this world age is water, and god chosen to reign is Tlaloc’s sister, Calchiuhtlicue. During this sun, Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca were filled with jealousy and brought the sun down. The population were turned into fish, and this age was ultimately terminated by a great flood.
Fifth Sun: This is said to be the age that we are currently in, and the god Nanahuatzin is responsible for it. The legend foretells that this era will end with earthquakes. (can you say.. HAARP?)
So.. Aztec flood myth..
Before the great flood which took place 4,800 years after the creation of the world, the country of Anahuac was inhabited by giants, all of whom either perished in the inundation or were transformed into fishes, save seven who fled into caverns. When the waters subsided, one of the giants, the great Xelhua, nicknamed the ‘Architect,’ traveled to Cholula, where, as a memorial of the Tlaloc which had served for an asylum to himself and his six brethren, he built an artificial hill in the form of a pyramid…”
In Inca mythology, the god Viracocha, the creator of civilization, destroyed the giants, as well as the other inhabitants around Lake Titicaca with a Great Flood (highest lake on Earth….)
In Maya mythology, from the Popol Vuh, Part 1, Chapter 3, Huracan (“one-legged”) was a wind and storm god. It is from his name that the English word hurricane is derived. Huracan caused the Great Flood (of resin) after the first humans angered the gods because, being made of wood, they were unable to engage in worship
I’ve tried to post a reply here concerning giants and ancient flooding twice. For some reason, the system keeps telling me that I have ‘posted an inappropriate word’ (perhaps an innate bias in the software against any form of catastrophism? :). I can’t find anywhere obvious to get technical support: advice please!
Yes, the mod is sensitive to words that contain combinations like t itle, a ssociate, s extet . . . you just have to experiment to weed out the offender 😉
Around the world floods…
The Sumerian myth of Ziusudra tells how the god Enki warns Ziusudra, king of Shuruppak, of the gods’ decision to destroy mankind in a flood.
The Hindu version of Noah is named Manu. He is warned by an incarnation of Vishnu of the impending Great Flood, enabling him to build a boat and survive to repopulate the earth.
Babylon :
The Babylonian Atrahasis Epic (written no later than 1700 B.C.E., the name Atrahasis means “exceedingly wise”), gives human overpopulation as the cause for the great flood.
Greek :
Greek mythology knows three floods. The flood of Ogyges, the flood of Deucalion and the flood of Dardanus…. hmm..
Dardanus. According to Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Dardanus, a son of Zeus and Electra, left Pheneus in Arcadia to colonize a land in the northeast Aegean Sea. When the deluge occurred, the land was flooded, and the mountain on which he and his family survived formed the island of Samothrace. Dardanus left Samothrace on an inflated skin to the opposite shores of Asia Minor and settled at the foot of Mount Ida. Due to fear of another flood he did not build a city, but lived in the open for 50 years. His grandson Tros eventually built a city, which was named Troy after him.
China : Shujing, or “Book of History,” probably written around 700 B.C.E. or earlier, describes a situation in its opening chapters in which Emperor Yao is facing the problem of flood waters that reach to the Heavens. This is the backdrop for the intervention of the hero Da Yu, who succeeds in controlling the floods. He goes on to found the first Chinese dynasty.
Vikings !!!!
In Norse mythology, the giant Bergelmir was a son of Thrudgelmir and the grandson of Aurgelmir, the founder of the race of frost giants. Bergelmir and his wife were the only frost giants to survive the deluge of Aurgelmir’s blood, when Odin and his brothers butchered him. The giant couple survived by crawling into a hollow tree trunk, and then founded a new race of frost giants.
Even the IRISH LEPRECHAUNS get in on it..
According to the mythical history of Ireland, the first inhabitants of Ireland were led there by Noah’s granddaughter Cessair. In one version of the story, when her father was denied a place in the ark by Noah, Cessair advised him to build an idol. This idol advised them that they could escape the Deluge in a ship. Cessair, along with three men and 50 women, set off and sailed for more than seven years. They landed in Ireland at Donemark, on Bantry Bay in County Cork, just 40 days before the Flood.
WOW! I wonder what’s going on?? I looked up Cliff Dunning on utube and it came up with a channel with a few creepy weird videos. Someone may have taken his name and utube associates Earth Ancients with those videos (which are still up) because I can’t imagine that being him. He’s on BlogTalk. I think that utube interview with Finkel was picked up from an earlier interview. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/earthancients. Thanks for the notice. I hope he appeals!
Youtube is being sanitized and censured. dont use it anymore – use hooktube so they cant track what you’re watching but content is being massively suppressed