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justawhoaman posted an update 7 years, 2 months ago
With all the incredible historians who gather here, does anyone know about the Tartarians that are being discussed on this program? This is pretty eye opening…
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/max-igan-why-has-the-great-empire-of-tartary-been-written-out-of-history/
The Giza Forum (Legacy)
Closed Archive of The Old Forum
https://www.stolenhistory.org/media/tartarian-empire-covered-up-by-people-mud-mudflood.287/
If you look on this link, there is a 1957 CIA document, declassified in 1998, that makes this whole mystery one worth researching. What was so special about Great Tartary that the Communists erased it, as they did with so many other valuable elements of their history, such that the West has also eliminated it from their books?
I read “National Cultural Development Under Communism” last night, wondering if this document – -seemingly composed by an agency employee devoted to Islam with a typist’s inability to load typing paper into her machine properly — was the one you were referencing. A little later, I began reviewing yesterday’s vidchat, which I signed in to but subsequently missed about 99% of in real time, and heard your question and quotation from the very document.
“What was so special about Great Tartary that the communists erased it?”
Nothing; they weren’t communists erasing others who weren’t communists for communism’s sole sake, and had to go, by any means necessary — the “core of their cultural heritage” very much included.
I started to make the point that Napolean attacked Moscow in his 1815 campaign against Russia and that it was actually Tartary at the time, but a 1806 map of Europe, below, shows that Great Tartary was pretty much reduced to what is now Kazakhstan by the time the Napoleonic Wars ensued. Such seems to be the way of all expansive empires, with possible exception of China and Russia, despite both of them falling to Communist rule… or maybe, because of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartary#/media/File:1806_Cary_Map_of_Tartary_or_Central_Asia_-_Geographicus_-_Tartary-cary-1806.jpg
Thanks for exposing me to this reproduction of a beautiful piece of art and craft.
https://www.stolenhistory.org/media/tartarian-empire-covered-up-by-people-mud-mudflood.287/
I have recently been reading some great books by Polish writer, explorer, university professor, anti-communist political activist and participant in the Russian Civil War, Dr. Ferdynand Antoni Ossendowski, (05/27/1876-01/03/1945), despised and actively sought by the Soviets and their NKVD, such that when, soon after Ossendowski’s death, the Red Army seized the area encompassing the cemetery of the adventurer’s resting place, [Soviet] agents exhumed his body, confirmed his identity and verified the fact of his death.
The ethnic group you’ve brought up here was mentioned numerous times by Ossendowski, and I, too, am made to wonder at this neglect.
Catastrophic change is no respecter of persons, ideologies, cultures or ethnic affiliations.
Ossendowski’s books are certainly fascinating and I read them back in the 1970s. Though perhaps best known for his references to von Ungern-Sternberg (in “Beasts, Men and Gods”), there have since been more reliable studies of the Baron’s violent career in Central Asia.
Well, the Russians, Poles, Hungarians, Chinese and Tibetans have not “forgotton” the Tartar dominion. I looked at a few of these “video revelations” out of curiosity and in my modest opinion believe that they are a waste of time. Now a serious scholarly pursuit of the Tartar legacy would be another kettle of fish altogether.
So, would you recommend starting with Ossendowski and work out from there? For one thing, if the original maps have all been “burned” or, for the sake of modern reference, “arkancided”, then this may be a difficult challenge. I concur that most of the alternative theories (whether it be flat earth or Tartaria) are easy to discredit merely by the lack of scholarly work. This is EXACTLY why most of us hang on nearly every word Joseph types: scholarly referenced and cross referenced, competent, and refreshingly open-minded. It could be that they are “on to something” but without referenced research, it is hard to treat seriously. Curious minds want to know because, if true, there are even “bigger Goebbels” (lies) out there than we imagined. Also, if true, the North American Continent had much different origins than we have been told and could well hold great secrets which is why the propaganda is so great. Perhaps I should start with William Bosley on that one…
“The Great Game: The Struggle for Empire in Central Asia” by Peter Hopkirk is interesting. For a more up-to-date survey of the events inspiring Ossendowski, see “Red Shambhala: Magic, Prophecy, and Geopolitics in the Heart of Asia” by Andrei Znamenski.
Ossendowski’s accounts of encounters with Tartars in the books I read don’t constitute a serious scholarly study of them.
BEASTS, MEN AND GODS
“A book of astounding, breath-taking, enthralling adventure, an Odyssey whose narrator encountered more perils and marvels than did Ulysses himself.” – New York Times
“One of the most thrilling authentic personal narrations of adventure ever written.” – New York Herald
MAN AND MYSTERY IN ASIA
“Each arresting episode contributes towards giving a more enduring impression of the life of the semi-civilized nomads inhabiting the vast land of Siberia.” – New York Evening Post
These are blurbs I consider well stated, Justawhoaman. These books are a learned man’s attestations of facts and events.
… And no blue chickens!
I apologize for the brain burp… Walter. Computer lapsed on DJ and as soon as I saw Walter on air my brain said, “Oh, Walter Bosley” and then remembered that I said William on here. Good golly. Just getting old, I guess.
When you take Walter to be a mane source of information, then I’ll worry about ya.