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  • PiPoe posted an update 5 years, 3 months ago

    Recently, I viewed “A Surprising Little Labyrinth”, a 2016 Member Webinar. It concerned the Louisiana Purchase with a couple of the characters in ‘play’ being Andrew Jackson and Nicholas Biddle (these two are also key players in a book which many here may have read “The Creature from Jeckyll Island” that tells a historical tale of the Federal Reserve). What strikes me in both of these stories as well as the financial shenanigans and ongoing disaster capital ‘purchases’ of land today is that none of these transactions were really undertaken and ‘concluded’ on the up and up. That leaves an outstanding question of “Exactly who does own the land?” Logic would suggest it’s the Native American Indians; however, that would be disputed by many in the courts and by other means. Something tells me that what constitutes ‘ownership’ of land (and other asset classes) will be something re-determined in the not too distant future. If possession is 9/10ths of the law, that would suggest that those who physically occupy or physically possess a tangible asset would have the greater claim than those who only had a piece of paper stating that the asset belonged to them ‘by hook or by crook’. It’s also rather difficult to defend an asset from afar unless of course an ‘army’ is willing to defend it on your behalf and then the members of that ‘army’ would likely be asking themselves “If I’m defending your assets, who’s defending mine?”. More interesting times ahead in so many different directions – asset ownership being just one.

    • Is this sort of an alchemical thing where a piece of paper substitutes, or over-rides, Reality? It is selling something not actually owned, i.e. not by the true owner’s of the land. What ‘band’ of First Americans actually owned the land? There were so many tribes. Possession of the land was always in-flux with no good method to determine ownership. Not being contentious here… just askin’

        • Actually I don’t think anyone owns the land (I think Henry George had it right in many respects); I do think we all have a right to a sanctuary we can refer to as home and that requires the private and protected use of some land. In past years I’ve crunched some numbers on the US territory and there is sufficient land for everyone in the present populace (that includes a 50% allocation for wildlife as well as residential, commercial, recreational, etc.) A question for discussion is how could it be fairly allocated, how could it be done in a just manner that takes into account those who have an existing homestead, and how could people trade their ‘spot’ to ensure mobility? Lots of ‘little details’ to iron out at the appropriate time by those that survive to the other side of this thing.

          • ‘First Peoples’ should be substituted for ‘First Americans’. My oversight.

          • When in recorded history, since the beginning of agriculture at least, was allocation of resources ever done on the up and up? (Unless we consider taking resources by war to be on the up and up.) Perhaps more pertinent: When in history has an effort to fairly redistribute land or resources ever ended well?

            I don’t think our land ownership system is broke; I would leave it alone. I believe our economic and governance systems are broke and unfair–change them and the rest takes care of itself, without the risks inherent in utopian confiscation/redistribution schemes. Bust the monopolies; rein in the banksters; make those who govern follow the law; and change government and investment policies that destroy employment, suppress wages, and make economic and social mobility impossible–that would be my suggestion.

              • Good suggestions. With the input of many we can create something great.

                • FiatLux, as you so correctly wrote, “When in history has an effort to fairly redistribute land or resources ever ended well?” Answer: Never!!!
                  So think about it, the Time to stop enforcing our Rights, as written in our Bill of Rights has not yet ended! Make certain it does not now End. There are peaceful ways to do so, and you have provided a wonderful Blueprint of how to go about doing it.

                    • There is something we should consider – land ownership has been redistributed throughout history – typically flowing to those in ‘power’ and is happening in our present time to an extreme degree. It is simply being transferred to the ‘1%’ in spades. If memory serves, an example would be Ted Turner’s share growing from appx. 100,000 acres in the US to over 2 million today. That reflects ‘broken’ in my view. (For some context, I’m personally sitting on many acres with no debt and I do appreciate seeing just nature when I walk outside). I would like a more peaceful society and I don’t think that’s possible when you have large swaths of the populace not having enough while others have far more than they need. Just my two cents.

                  • “Since Canada uses primarily English-derived common law, the holders of the land actually have land tenure (permission to hold land from the Crown) rather than absolute ownership.”
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_ownership_in_Canada