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Scarmoge posted an update 5 years, 1 month ago

Just a thought …
It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts.
– Patrick Henry
- Billy Bob replied 5 years, 1 month ago
  Kinda like when as a youngster I had to deal with the idea my parents, me and all
  humans die. Tough one to process, but necessary. Now that fewer years are left on the clock, the object is to keep my affairs in order so all the stuff I’ll no longer need can be easily partitioned out after my transition. Unless I manage to reach the time when “I’ll own nothing and be happy”. ;o)
- ML light replied 5 years, 1 month ago
  I’d say pessimist Pati has it backwards. It’s the loss of hope that turns men into beasts.
  - Scarmoge replied 5 years, 1 month ago
    … the key word is “illusions”. On occasion the “loss of hope” turns men into realists.
    - ML light replied 5 years, 1 month ago
      
      The sense of the loss of hope someone can feel is real, surely. Though, I’m not sure I can correlate a Man “losing his hope” to then becoming a “realist”. (Realist and Illusion seem all too intertwined in this abstract context.) Someone can certainly be realistic with himself during a tough predicament but even that which looks hopeless in the moment, say hopelessly real, may later be surprisingly hopeful in outcome or hindsight. As unforeseen outcomes abound when it comes to Man and the crazy places he regularly finds himself. With that, I’m tempted to argue that if a Man does lose Hope (either subjectively specified, or completely) he in fact loses a part or possibly most of his civilized self—evolutionarily speaking, that is— thus being less socially realized in the Enlightened or “realist” sense. Further, I’d argue that Hope (the Conscious Imagination of Potential) stems from the very bosom of Dr. Farrell’s metaphorical “empty hyper-set”, that which intertwines the differentiations of Consciousness and Will. With Hope one couldn’t possibly get any closer, I’d abstractly argue, to that which is truly Real. Talk about beasts… of abstraction! Henry should have kept it country simple and said, “Guys, we’re going to be screwed if we let this happen.” Enough said.