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  • Margaret W. posted an update 7 years, 11 months ago

    Higherside Chats with Tobias Churton | Crowley In America: Art, Espionage & Sex Magic . . . world authority on Gnostic spirituality, Rosicrucianism, Freemasonry, and other esoteric movements. (I haven’t listened yet, but found him difficult to follow in his interview with Al on Forum Borealis.) . . . https://www.thehighersidechats.com/tobias-churton-crowley-in-america-art-espionage-sex-magic/ [1:09:08]

    • Another renaissance man … interesting perspective

      • Margaret , trust your instincts , he is difficult to follow , because he is full of it. I listened and I’m a plus member and what little I know of Crowley wasn’t even addressed in this podcast. Why Greg is so high on it one can only guess…

        • Yiannis, in discussing and writing about Crowley the fact that Churton doesn’t mention a formally explicit calculus which is buried in Crowley’s hermetic view doesn’t mean that he (Churton) is saying nothing of value.

          • Cut to the chase – calculate what? That this guy is full of it? I would have given maybe credit for the time wasted listening. If he talked about why Barbara bush looks like Crowley or his Intel connections.Since Gardner was British and died in 1964, you may wonder why we see these references in US events in 1979 and 1996. Two main reasons: one, British and US Intelligence have long been linked; two, US Intelligence, like British Intelligence, has long had a wing that specialized in using the occult as misdirection. But since the British wing had a headstart in this, US Intelligence often borrows terms and feints from the top British spooks like Crowley and Gardner. The US later developed some of their own spook-spooks like Anton Lavey, but these guys were just offshoots of the older British guys like Crowley and Gardner.

            • It’s interesting that Crowley’s influence ( for good or ill) is, as Churton so sagely observes, highly non-linear and at times inexplicable. If we think of Gardner, Parsons, McMurtry, Wasserman et alia as lower order derivatives of the Crowleyean Hyper-set then we can’t ascribe all and every permutation to the imprecise character of the original. Churton is obviously travelling along his own path, but to expect yet another podcast interview to be a re-telling of lurid stories and speculation is making that genre redundant and boring. I read the comments on the THC Plus page and they seem a bit strident and exclusive. Even though it was just a short interview I found it to be worth my time.

            • It was the part of the interview where he is dismissive on remote viewing. That coupled with the complete white wash of a large part of his -Crowleys cadre of followers . For someone to go into writing 20 plus books it was rather narrow optics of the self proclaimed beast. But I do get that he was trying to stress other facets , but articulate a little better if you are self proclaimed UK’s greatest esoteric writer. We have too much crap foisted on us and are in a battle for clarity and truth. We don’t need more intellectual blurring of already muddy pool. Materialism paradigm is dying hopefully consciousness and magic get brought forward for what they are and not from intelligence agency spooks. Now I have to look up strident😲, Yeah I hope I wasn’t too much of a jerk, but the bugs. IMHO.

          • Yes, excellent word – strident. I was strident- I don’t know , it was my lower mind demons 😳I couldn’t stop! The Crowley made me. 🤦‍♂️Thanks for the review bazzie. 👍